what about nancy pelosi, harry reid, mitch mcconnell? in 2011 it was basically boehner and obama, this time there might be a few more lawmakers who want in on this deal. jenna: the president's going to be sitting down with leaders later on this week. let's talk about style versus substance, something we talked about a lot with the election. i was reading comments from the ceo of at&t today, also the senior economist from bank of america who say, listen, if they'd reach an agreement, great. but if between now and then and the disagreements look really big and bad, that's going to damage this economy because it just shatters any consumer confidence going into the holiday season. >> yes. jenna: so, ultimately, they could find a solution, but damage will already be done. what dueck about that, bob? what do you think about the style to all this as well? >> that's why -- and i agree with that, they're going to need a deal by mid december because it's going to shatter consumer confidence, and the stock market's going to play a big role here. we